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Old 11-29-2013, 10:57 PM
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Or it's simply an old u-joint and it's just unhappy working at a slightly different angle and higher speed due to the gear change, usually the rear one is the first to fail - take it apart and inspect it for wear, you may just need a new one. The 1 1/2" lowering you did is not that severe and is well within the u-joints normal operating range, very doubtful it would have pulled the driveshaft out of the tailhousing that much. Another possibility is that the higher operating speed of the driveshaft has uncovered a balancing problem in the driveshaft itself.
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Old 11-30-2013, 08:23 PM
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Hi,
Yes thankyou for all the imput. I think i will first try raising the transmission slightly to see what that does. Next will be to change the pinion anle. Where can i buy shims? Jegs?Summit? Will look after this post.
how much should i move it? I do not own an inclometer, but perhaps a visit to sears is in order.
I noticed that the pinion is pointing slightly down, where as the yoke on the trans is nearly level.. Drive shaft has a slip yoke, and the whole assembly was recently gone through.
many thanks. Will post asap. Im also in the middle of a move
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Old 11-30-2013, 09:43 PM
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There has to be a slip joint, if not as part of the tail shaft it'll be part of the drive shaft, the length grows and shrinks with the movement of the suspension. When I've needed shims I found them at the off-road shop. Good luck.
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Old 12-04-2013, 09:03 PM
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Hey,
Ok so i fabbed up some spacers this morning which will raise the transmission crossmember 1/2 inch. Dont know if this will work. If it does not work, and i buy pinion spacers, which direction do i want to move the pinion, up?down? And 2,4
I cannot visualize this.
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Old 12-04-2013, 10:59 PM
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Unless the lowering blocks are angled, they would not change your pinion angle compared to your transmission angle. They would only change the driveshaft angle. What is the history of that car or the rear axle? Race/drag cars often have a pinion pointing down so that it levels out under heavy axle torque.

Like was mentioned, lowering would push the slip yolk farther in to the trans. (but not much) Lowering would also cause your driveshaft angle to decrease. For a street car, you don't want the trans/shaft/pinion in a straight line - the u-joint bearings won't move properly and it will more likely vibrate.

This might help:


Start with your motor angle - carb base should be level. Check your trans output shaft angle and match your pinion angle to that.
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Old 12-05-2013, 12:03 PM
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Excellent.
Thanks for the responce. Rear end is rebuilt., driveshaft gone through maybe 1 year ago.
Im thinking the vibration must have always been there, but now with tbe gear change, it is present right at cruise speed. Im going to make prescribed changes, then will follow up post
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Old 12-05-2013, 05:23 PM
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The slip-yoke being in the driveshaft is what I forgot about on some TH400's. If you're lowering the vehicle, whether or not the slip yoke pushed in or pulls out depends on where your rear end was in relation to your transmission before, and if it is closer or farther away. None of us can determine this from the info on this thread.

This is the same for which angle to move the diff or transmission with shims. You need to look at the U-joints and determine which way the angle has moved and which way you'll need to move it back to get it back to a better angle, if that's the issue.
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Old 12-05-2013, 08:57 PM
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Hi
I believe that as the rear went up into the body, that the angle of the universal joint increased. If this is true, then raising the tail of the transmission slightly uphill should counter that.Thats what i will find out when i drive the car saturday.
I believe that the angles were marginal when first installed. That blocks were installed, as well as a gear change at the same time, i think, only amplified the problem. As i said earlier, while only subtle, it obviously cannot vibrate.The slip yoke appears to have sufficient room for travel.
i appreciate all the help. I will post with the outcome.

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Old 12-08-2013, 08:07 AM
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Okay,
Im getting somewhere. I installed a spacer at the transmission crossmember. made the vibration worse. going to pull out the blocks and see what happens. Timing is bad on this I'm moving up on Tuesday. just want to get it quieted down until I can get a inclino meter, like I should have done from the start.
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Old 12-08-2013, 01:51 PM
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I'm not surprised. Let's say you started with figure A. The trans and pinion are parallel to each other, but not in line, thus making a 4˚ angle between each and the driveshaft. Figure B is what happened when you blocked the rear axle. It decreased the angle between driveshaft and pinion, but also equally decreased the angle between the driveshaft and trans. Less than 3˚ angle will increase chances of vibration. Then you tilted the trans/engine, represented in figure C. You increased the angles between the driveshaft and the pinion and also the trans, BUT since you didn't raise the engine front too, you angled the trans more therefore increasing the angle between trans and driveshaft without equally increasing the angle at the pinion.


If you don't have a inclinometer available - try Harbor Freight. Or at least use a level - you can at least get a good idea of how far off the trans and pinion are - they should be very very close to the same.
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