OK....all or any tire "experts"....

[sgtpontiac]

When the heck did they come up with this? "you can't put snow tires on just the back, it won't handle correctly, you have to buy all 4 "Winter" tires"
Plus, these "winter" tires wear like crazy if driven in 40degree weather or above...???? What that heck? I've never heard such non sense before...plus, the "winter" tires don't look any different than the All season tires that are on the car now....and, they won't give you any road hazard or other guarantee and you have to sign a waiver of liability if you don't put all 4 on the car.....so if you have air pressure sensors, you need to buy 4 new rims at over 200 bucks a pop or stare at the light on the dash if you put regular wheels on it...WTHeck!!!!! I've driven dozens of cars, including patrol units with only snow tires on the back....

 

[Blue Eyed Devil]

I call B.S. on all of it. Just a money racket...

 

[sgtpontiac]

That was my thought as well.....

I call B.S. on all of it. Just a money racket...

Total BS.....money grubbing, &%$#$%&*%$#!!!

 

[Blue Eyed Devil]

That's why I won't go anywhere near a "chain" tire store. If I need new tires I order them and have my local guy mount and balance them the way I want. I don't need their "professional" advice...

 

[Bonehead]

In the rock crawling world we have "sticky" tires that wear out pretty quick. They are a soft rubber compound. They do grab like crazy and make the impossible look easy.

The snow tires that get really hard when it gets cold offer less traction, so if it is a tire compound thing, I get that. But I don't get having to have them all the way around.

 

[sgtpontiac]

Well they managed to scare

That's why I won't go anywhere near a "chain" tire store. If I need new tires I order them and have my local guy mount and balance them the way I want. I don't need their "professional" advice...

the bageebees out of my wife...she called me and told me this so I called my buddy at the local Ford Dealership and he said, yep, the tire companies have found a way to milk us for every dime....Ford's tire agreements with what they sell stipulate the same....you "must" replace all tires with "winter" tires....or it "voids" the warranty.....they don't even call them snow tires anymore....anyway....the tire store said they simply won't put them on unless you get all four....my dealership buddy said the same, won't sell just two....by Fords direction and actually by the looks of them, they ain't snow tires anyway....I'll pick up some All terrain tires and have them put on at the local garage....this is nuts!!!!....P'd me off big time..

 

[jakas66]

This game has been going on for some time now (and others like it). Scams in the automotive industry get worse every year. Recently read an article about oil changes not being necessary until 10, 000 miles on most newer cars. California is pushing this idea for "conservation" reasons. Cant prove it, but sounds a lot like wear it out faster so we can sell you another new one. I'll drive my old junk and change oil every 3000 till I die.

 

[sgtpontiac]

Amen brother.!!!....

Never convince me that oil changes aren't needed for 10,000...don't care what oil you use....but this tire crap is off the hook....never heard of this before...been using "SNOW" tires for years....never had any problems before...luckily I still have the sets for the crown vic's at the dept...they're going on the back just like they did last year.... Man....I can't believe the crap they try to put over on the average guy....or gal.... Who comes up with this stuff.....marketing people??? The technical guys are probably doing the same as us....[S These clowns are laughing all the way to the bank...

 

[bob w]

First I gotta say that having the front tires wear out at 28,000 miles on my wife's Honda Fit was irritating. Zero traction on ice and snow. I went to an independent tire store and got sticky winters for the front. An attempt to sell me four tires was met with "nope" by me. The sales guy just cautioned that if the car doesn't handle properly to come back for rear tires. I told him it will handle a heck of a lot better than it did with the worn out front tires.
I did 10,000 mile oil changes on a Honda CRV. Now has over 300,000 miles. Only repair ever is a timing belt. Runs perfect.

 

[jakas66]

Service to the customer is pretty much non-existent these days. Money dictates all. Used to be a day when any customer was looked upon as needed and necessary to survive in buisness. Not any more. An over abundance of consumers has turned us all into nothing more than cash cows for a twisted Capitalistic system. One of my personal pet peeves is EVERYBODY with a tip jar on their counter. Dont earn the tip, EXPECT the tip.

 

[sgtpontiac]

That just makes me nervous....

I did 10,000 mile oil changes on a Honda CRV. Now has over 300,000 miles. Only repair ever is a timing belt. Runs perfect.

I'd feel guilty simply due to my automotive background and consistently preaching about regular oil changes to customers for nearly 30years...I know oils have improved over the years and synthetics have taken things over the top, but the additives in oil breakdown and burn off...I'll never believe otherwise....but I could never get used to changing my oil at 10,000miles....I am glad it worked out for you.... doing that to me is like the old myth about "you only need to change the filter as the oil never wears out"....oil doesn't, the additives on the other hand do...no matter why kind of oil you put in....JMHO Sorry man, but we'll have to agree to disagree on this one....

 

[hotrod preacher]

the tire deal sounds like a load of hooey!

the oil changes on the other hand....

seriously the last 2 gm products i owned had "oil change" reminder lights.... they would remind you to change oil at.....(wait for it.....) 6000 miles!

i decided then if the people that made the truck thought that was good enough for them, it would be ok for me to run 5000...especially since most all my driving is "mild" lol

so, 5000 mile oil changes it is on my daily....

now to me the difference is not only in the oil technology, but in the engine technology as well- fuel injection, better roads, etc..... after all 40 years ago no one expected, or ever saw a spark plug last 100,000 miles...but they will now...

 

[bob w]

Hey, Sgt. The long time between oil changes was more because of neglect than any belief I had in long interval changes. It did prove in this one case that it can work.

 

[sgtpontiac]

Those lites are programed by a manufacturer

the tire deal sounds like a load of hooey!

the oil changes on the other hand....

seriously the last 2 gm products i owned had "oil change" reminder lights.... they would remind you to change oil at.....(wait for it.....) 6000 miles!

i decided then if the people that made the truck thought that was good enough for them, it would be ok for me to run 5000...especially since most all my driving is "mild" lol

so, 5000 mile oil changes it is on my daily....

now to me the difference is not only in the oil technology, but in the engine technology as well- fuel injection, better roads, etc..... after all 40 years ago no one expected, or ever saw a spark plug last 100,000 miles...but they will now...

that wants to sell cars....not that I'm saying you are wrong, but the last thing I'd base my decisions are the recommendations of the company that wants me to buy a new car every 3 years....JMHO....since you decided that you'd do it every 5000 tells me that you don't buy the 10,000 or even the 6,000 mile routine....driving habits, hiway or city miles, use of the vehicle and other factors need to be considered to make that decision....We change the oil on our patrol units every 4,000.....which we normally put on in about 2 months...but that is what I would call severe driving..not because we are in pursuits all the time but there is a ton of slow speed and idle time...I agree that technology has come a long way....I guess what I'm saying in a Nutshell is that everyone needs to consider the use of the vehicle and how long they plan on keeping it....I've got friends that put 50,000 a year on their vehicle and get a new one every 2 years....not much down time...oil changes when they can and dump the car before it costs them.....technology is wonderful but not a replacement for common sense...

 

[sgtpontiac]

I understand.....

Hey, Sgt. The long time between oil changes was more because of neglect than any belief I had in long interval changes. It did prove in this one case that it can work.

like I said in the post above to HRP...some people drive the wheels off of their cars and don't do regular maintenance....not because they don't want to but because it's a down time thing... I think that in general we've certainly come a long way in what is produced....the engines and most everything else have better production tolerances and technology has really done a crap ton to increase the required service intervals...but common sense has to dictate, not just warning lamps and "recommended" service intervals...again, JMHO.... and I'm sure that there are a number of gear heads out there with many many points of view on this....didn't mean to start a riot....normally I'd try to quell them...LOL

 

[Dr Crankenstein]

..... after all 40 years ago no one expected, or ever saw a spark plug last 100,000 miles...but they will now...

40 years ago, you didn't have to remove the drivetrain and half the sheetmetal to change spark plugs!

The whole tire thing is ridiculous, and what they try to pass off as winter tires are a joke. Overpriced crap that doesn't work. NOTHING can replace a real snow tire. My DD is 4WD. Every winter the "all seasons" come off and 4 studded SNOW tires go on. The difference is like night and day.

Sometimes I remember to change my oil, too.

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[sgtpontiac]

I couldn't agree more...

40 years ago, you didn't have to remove the drivetrain and half the sheetmetal to change spark plugs!

The whole tire thing is ridiculous, and what they try to pass off as winter tires are a joke. Overpriced crap that doesn't work. NOTHING can replace a real snow tire. My DD is 4WD. Every winter the "all seasons" come off and 4 studded SNOW tires go on. The difference is like night and day.

Sometimes I remember to change my oil, too.

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My current pickup (2004 F150 2 whl drive) is the first non 4x4 I've had in years...thought it would be simple....buy two SNOW tires and be good to go...no air sensors no warning lamps....just a little extra traction some sand tubes over the wheels and be good to go....Nope...not like I really go "off road" with it or even drive that far...1 mile to work...so, tonight, I called another friend who sells tires further out of the city, he says no problem...I've got 2 nice aggessive AT tires that will work great for you....I say, no waivers, no voiding warranties none of that? he says what??? I tell him the story and he just laughed....said he sells the AT tires in lieu of the "winter" tires so there isn't any issues and people are happy...I am happy too....

 

[Sam_Fear]

TIRES - the car companies are dictating this after the Ford Explorer roll over fiasco. JMO

OIL - Big Brown doesn't change oil for twice the manufacturers recommendation. Sterling went round with them for some time over honoring the warranties because of this.

Most of the rest of a newer car doesn't last as long as the motor anyhow.

 

[sgtpontiac]

Absolutely!!!

TIRES - the car companies are dictating this after the Ford Explorer roll over fiasco. JMO

OIL - Big Brown doesn't change oil for twice the manufacturers recommendation. Sterling went round with them for some time over honoring the warranties because of this.

Most of the rest of a newer car doesn't last as long as the motor anyhow.

Couldn't agree more.... I am sure that Firestone ate a ton of crap on that one....anyone that thinks they can raise the center of gravity on a vehicle and not experience roll over issues at speed are nieve.....tires can only flex so much before gravity takes over and if you lay a 2 ply sidewall over enough it's going to seperate, cut, split and a number of other things not necessarily related to "defective" tire....our city could not buy explorers, tahoe's or expeditions due to the chances of roll overs.... most vehicles can do things the average person can't imagine....to their limits...hence the reason Police officers are trained in "precision driving"...(we don't call it pursuit driving anymore for liability reasons..lol)..you would be amazed at what you can do with these "interceptors"....but I digress....you are right on both counts...

 

[sgtpontiac]

I wish we could use chains or studs....

40 years ago, you didn't have to remove the drivetrain and half the sheetmetal to change spark plugs!

The whole tire thing is ridiculous, and what they try to pass off as winter tires are a joke. Overpriced crap that doesn't work. NOTHING can replace a real snow tire. My DD is 4WD. Every winter the "all seasons" come off and 4 studded SNOW tires go on. The difference is like night and day.

Sometimes I remember to change my oil, too.

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Can't use them in MI....tore up the roads..LOL...yet they allow what is called Michigan trailers....8 axle flat beds that have two center drop axles so they can turn and will carry 160,000lbs of block....but the studs might tear up the roads...I think the salt does more damage than any chain or stud would do..